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kuopiofi

September 23, 2008 - 7:26am

Flock 2 commentary

Took a quick check to flock 2 and removed instantly, commentary from the few facts I noticed:

Speed is better, like promised. I've got problems with flash player with the current version but those didn't appear there. This is good.

Favorites Management... maybe it's faster and more responsive but this is the main reason why I bailed instantly: if you *must* make it similar as firefox, at least add the *option* of deciding wether or not I want to:
1) see that 'properties' bar on the bottom right, otherwise it just takes space.
2) hide the folder-tree on the left, like on the current FM has; this one really bugs me so please... I really would prefer the current version in this area.

Generally I'd rather see you use something similar to netscapes version for FM... but that's just me.
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So, others using flock 2: your opinions? C&C? We're doing this for ourselves after all.


Evan Hamilton

September 26, 2008 - 2:48pm

Hey kuopiofi,

Thanks for the post.

I'm a little confused as to your statement...the favorites manager in Flock 2.0 is MUCH more like Firefox's than in Flock 1.0. If you open Firefox3 and Flock 2 and check out their Favorites Managers side-by-side you'll see almost identical UI. I'm not sure what differences you're seeing.

Evan Hamilton
Community Ambassador

evan at flock dot com
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EvanHamilton.com - Community Management, SEO, & Marketing Blog

kuopiofi

October 1, 2008 - 7:11am

Actually, I meant that flock 2 and firefox 3 *are* similar (sorry if that wasn't exactly coherent, I think I was pretty sleepy at the time. Been some time now so I don't really remember). Anyway, in flock 2beta:

You can't edit favorites unless you go to favorite manager and even then you have to use that 'properties bar' (or whatever it is) on the bottom right instead of simply being able to use right-click/ menu and properties.

Dragging in favorites is... not exactly precise since the dragged favorite is presented as a vague text instead of simple line or something similar, plus moving things to sub-folders (ie. folders inside folders) doesn't really work, doing that makes favorites menu to 'drop of'.
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Added after that last: using right click/ menu in save file seems to have some problems, especially with 'new folder'. First time doesn't open the sub-menu (or it's empty) and using arrow keys doesn't work, opening menu second time and all these work.

Evan Hamilton

October 1, 2008 - 1:33pm

Hey kuopiofi,

Thanks for the clarification. However, I'm still not seeing what you're seeing. Whether I do it via the Favorites menu or the Favorites Sidebar, right-clicking a favorite and choosing "Properties" DOES open the properties dialog and allow me to change settings for a favorite.

I think I see what you mean about dragging a link from a webpage into the Favorites sidebar...it is only represented by semi-opaque text. However, when you drag that to the favorites sidebar it'll give you a better indication of where you're dragging it to. Not a complete solution, but something.

Evan Hamilton
Community Ambassador

evan at flock dot com
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EvanHamilton.com
Community Management, SEO, & Marketing Blog

kuopiofi

October 1, 2008 - 10:57pm

Strange, for me clicking properties in sidebar or favorites menu does absolutely nothing... wonder what that's about. Anyone else has this problem? There was someone else in support but nothing came from that.

And yes, dragging in sidebar does work, but when you need to move longer distances it gets complicated.

kuopiofi

October 3, 2008 - 5:46am

After checking things on other computer and having the same problem, I must say that the only thing in common is the fact that they both moved to flock (first 1.2 then 2b) from netscape 9. Could that have something to do with it?

Evan Hamilton

October 8, 2008 - 4:00pm

Hey kuopiofi,

That certainly could be the case. Does this issue still occur with new bookmarks, or only those that came from netscape 9?

Evan Hamilton
Community Ambassador

evan at flock dot com
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EvanHamilton.com
Community Management, SEO, & Marketing Blog

kuopiofi

October 9, 2008 - 4:36am

No difference really, looks like it affects both old and new favorites. Could you mention onward that someone would take a look about it?

ChrisVance

October 9, 2008 - 8:17pm

Evan,

In the Edit Properties dialog box accessed when clicking the Star button when on a favorited page, I have "Show this dialog when adding favorite web pages" unchecked. When I use the Favorites sidebar, right click on a favorite, and choose Properties, the orange "This page has been added to Favorites on this computer. Click Edit Properties to change properties for this favorite..." notification bar appears, and the Edit Properties dialog does not appear. I need to click the Edit Properties button on this orange notification bar for it to appear. I can reproduce this in a brand new profile on Flock 2.0b3/WinXP.

If the "Show this dialog when adding favorite web pages" box is checked on the Edit Properties dialog, the Edit Properties dialog does appear when right-clicking a favorite and choosing Properties.

Is the first behavior described, with "Show this dialog when adding favorite web pages" unchecked, expected/as-designed behavior? This seems like an incorrect workflow from an end-user point of view.

kuopiofi

October 10, 2008 - 6:21am

That seems to work, but there are still some things that might be because of netscape 9, any ideas what might be the reasons or solutions:

-using reload opens the page on the top of the page instead of the place I were when pressing reload

-for some reason yahoo!groups-pages with more text seem to 'double-load' when opening or returning to them: the page loads normally and then flickers slightly (text/ page disappears for a moment) and loads again, page stays where it was opened, tho' (not going to the top of the page)

- when mouse-arrow is over video (at least in youtube, haven't remembered to check elsewhere... ;p) mouse-roll doesn't work

ChrisVance

October 10, 2008 - 11:48pm

I tried your youtube problem. I see the same behavior you describe (mouse's scroll wheel does not scroll through page when movering over the video) in both Flock 2.0b3 and in Firefox 3.

Flock can imports settings and favorites from Netscape as well as from other browsers. Importing this information should not have an effect on page rendering, in either reload case you describe. Complex sites with ads might display different reload behavior than a simple web page without ads. For instance, I can reload the Flock developer portal without the page scrolling to the top when I reload. Scrolling down a cnn.com article page and reloading shows the page opening at the top, but when everything finishes loading (ads, etc.), the browser automatically scrolls to your previous position.

I think these are normal browser behaviors you are seeing.

kuopiofi

October 11, 2008 - 10:16pm

Except that reloading the page (*every* page) opens on the top and *stays* there! As in: not moving from the top at all to the place where I reloaded.

Seriously, you think that I'd bother to mention that if the page returned to the place I started? That's exactly the way it should happen and doesn't happen right now.
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Edit:
Don't tell me there's some button that needs to be pressed or box that needs to be marked for that to work?

kuopiofi

October 14, 2008 - 10:59pm

Downloaded flock 2 and reload *still* goes always to the top of the page and stays there!

Seriously, anyone has any ideas what's the problem here? This is annoying...

Evan Hamilton

October 16, 2008 - 12:16pm

Hey kuopiofi,

Yeah, I see what you're talking about. That's quite odd...I've filed a bug at https://bugzilla.flock.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15358

Evan Hamilton
Community Ambassador

evan at flock dot com
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EvanHamilton.com
Community Management, SEO, & Marketing Blog

kuopiofi

October 16, 2008 - 9:16pm

Thanks.

I'd *really* like to find out the reason for this, can't be coincidence that none else has this problem and the two computers I have access do exactly same thing...

ChrisVance

October 17, 2008 - 5:56pm

I just checked the bug which Evan opened for this topic, and it indicates that a few was checked in for the problem you reported. The problem should be corrected in Flock 2.1.

kuopiofi

October 17, 2008 - 11:41pm

Thankee very much. :D

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